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Should we abandon the Divi theme or wait for Divi 5.0?

Published on 11/17/2022 | 21 comments

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With the arrival of WordPress 6.1 and the growing number of "next generation" FSE-compatible themes, some freelancers who use Divi on a daily basis to build their clients' sites have asked themselves this question "should we ditch Divi for a block-based theme?". Some even contacted me about it. Let's talk about it in this article...

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1 - What is a "block-based theme"?

Before we go any further, it would be nice to talk a bit about these "new generation" themes that have been introduced since version 5.9 of WordPress.

Indeed, since January 2022, when you install a new WordPress site, a " Block Theme " is activated by default (Twenty Twenty Two, Twenty Twenty Three...), it is a theme that allows you to create the whole site with Gutenberg blocks (the native editor of WordPress).

I won't explain everything in detail, but if you want to go further, I invite you to read the article I published when WordPress 5.9.

So, if we schematize, block-based themes allow you to place Gutenberg blocks everywhere on the site: main content, header, footer, etc. But they also allow you to create any template of the site directly from the Site Editor (page template, article template, 404 page template, etc.). But they also allow you to create any template of the site directly from the Site Editor (page template, article template, 404 page template, etc.). Hence the term FSE, for Full Site Editing.

2 - What is the difference between the ESF and Divi's Theme Builder?


Well, none on paper, but a lot in the UX (user experience). Because since the release of the Divi Theme Builder In 2019, this tool has grown, users have had time to make it their own. And then, let's face it: Divi is very intuitive, and so is its Theme Builder!

So to summarize: you can finally edit a WordPress site entirely (without having to use a tool like Divi or Elementor) since January 2022, provided you use a block-based theme that supports the ESF functionality. To discover the list of compatible themes, go here.

3 - What happens to Divi?

The question is: what happens to the 10,000+ themes that were built before the arrival of WordPress 5.9 - such as Divi?

Don't panic! They continue to work and as long as they are maintained by their developers, there is no need to worry.

Since the arrival of Block Themes, we can consider the "old ones" as classic themes. Divi is therefore a classic theme.

And what you have to understand is that a classic theme can't evolve into a block-based theme, because they don't really use the same file architecture, nor the same language within some files (PHP vs HTML)...

So, what will become of Divi?

4 - A Divi 5.0 that is not yet available...

To be honest with you, I was hopeful that Divi 5.0 would be released in the summer of 2021. I was so sure of it, that I had already prepared a draft article on Divi Tips, ready to complete and draw it when the time came 🤣

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Divi 5.0 expected in July 2021

And then I realized that Divi 5.0 was going to be very complicated for the developers of ElegantThemes to understand:

1️⃣ Should they develop a brand new "next generation" Divi theme that incorporates a Divi style ESF - and if so, what to do with the old Divi and the millions of sites that rely on that tool?

2️⃣ Or, continue to develop "tranquillou bilou" the Divi Theme and its builders, which we know and master.

Big dilemma...

But what I do understand is that WordPress has been evolving at breakneck speed since 2018 and third-party tool companies have certainly been slaving to reinvent themselves and keep up. And some are still struggling...

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5 - A brand new Divi 5.0 for 2023

This is what Nick Roach promised us in his latest publication entitled " Let's talk about Divi 5.0 and its future" .

In summary, here is what we can learn from it...

A redesign from scratch

This is the choice ElegantThemes made: rebuild the Divi theme from scratch. A daring choice, because it's full of pitfalls and very long. The main objectives:

  • eliminate technical debt
  • use current new technologies
  • significantly improve performance
  • move in the same direction as WordPress

The development of a real API

A few companies have managed to create add-ons for Divi but the current API is not very permissive. As a result, developers of third-party plugins for Divi run into complications, it's quite difficult.

With Divi 5.0, a new API will be released, a real API. This will allow developers to easily create whatever they want. I'm so excited to see this new wave of dedicated Divi extensions coming 🤩

Divi 5.0: a "hybrid" theme?

From Nick Roach's explanation, you would think that Divi 5.0 will be halfway between a classic theme and a block-based theme.

This would then explain the difficulty of this new development so that sites using Divi 4.x.x can move smoothly to Divi 5.0. A smooth and transparent transition.

No new features

Divi 5.0 will indeed be a major update, but for once, there will be no new features. " A few surprises here and there" promises Nick Roach. But nothing fundamentally new!

The real novelty, you will have understood, is a compatibility (or pseudo-compatibility) with the FSE of WordPress while ensuring a retro-compatibility with the old sites.

And that's great news!

Yes, if ElegantThemes had decided to create a brand new Divi that would not be compatible with the old versions, the transition (migration) of the old sites to this new theme would have been at the expense of the users... of us, that is! It would have been easier for them, but they would have lost the trust of the users.

Adios the shortcodes!

You may never have noticed, but if you turn off Divi to use another theme or builder, you'll see a bunch of shortcodes left over from the Divi Builder.

Let's not forget, Divi is 10 years old, and at the time, it was probably a correct way to design this type of tool. Since then, Divi has continued to grow with that, which has contributed to this technical debt.

Finish ! It is assured, the new Divi 5.0 will be built with today's technologies: React and company, those used by Gutenberg... It is rather promising and reassuring.

Identical user interface

Divi 5.0 will come with the same user interface. You'll be back to the way you were before! That's good news because you won't have to retrain or relearn how to use a new tool.

Obviously, everything has been thought to avoid most of the frictions and frustrations on the user side. It's very clever.

A little more patience

I was expecting Divi 5 in 2021. And then in 2022 too. I contacted ElegantThemes to find out what was going on... Here is an excerpt from my email sent on November 1, 2022:

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Email sent to ElegantThemes on 01/11/2022

Basically, I was asking them where it was at and if we could get some info to sink our teeth into 🦷.

On November 11, 2022, I received a reply email informing me of the publication of a full article on the ElegantThemes blogcontaining a video of Nick Roach explaining to the community the backstage of this big project...

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Reply from ElegantThemes on 11/02/2022

For confidentiality reasons, I have hidden some passages and the name of the person with whom I exchanged.

To summarize, it was written pretty much the same as in the official article, but more importantly, I noticed two very important sentences:

  1. "Our team is improving some things to ensure better compatibility, but ultimately, Divi and Extra will take over FSE."
  2. "As Nick mentioned, it will take a little time, but it will be worth it."

I think this is the good news we've been waiting for...

6 - In conclusion: should we wait for Divi 5.0?

I reassure you, I will not migrate to another theme.

Not only am I a Divi fan, as you might expect. But also because I'm lazy and I don't want to spend hours migrating Divi sites to new themes - INUTILELY - when the work will be done for us when the new version comes out.

So just wait and be patient.

However, Nick mentioned "2023"... And a year is composed of 12 months! So will we wait a few weeks, or several months? The future will tell us.

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21 Commentaires

  1. Alain Pons Photographe

    Bonjour et merci Lycia,

    Article pertinent et indispensable, comme à ton habitude. Surtout pour un pro de l’image certes mais quasi nul en création de site et tout son environnement…-:)

    Belle journée, Alain

  2. Cyril

    Très bon article. La vidéo de Roach expliquait bien leur nouvelle stratégie mais tu expliques bien la nouvelle approche de WP 👍

  3. Lycia Diaz

    Merci beaucoup Alain

  4. Lycia Diaz

    Merci Cyril

  5. Patrick Soulard

    Bonjour Lycia,

    Merci pour ton super article et ta newsletter.👍

    Je suis encore débutant dans la création de site web et presque tous les sites que j’ai créés, l’ont été faits avec DIVI.
    Alors la sortie DIVI 5 et la compatibilité avec DIVI 4.xx sont de très bonnes nouvelles pour nous.

    Bonne continuation, très belle journée et encore merci beaucoup pour ton investissement et ton implication dans la communauté WordPress et DIVI. 🙏👍

  6. Jean-Claude

    Merci Lycia pour cet article.
    J’avais vul’annonce Élégant Thème en Anglais, mais c’est tellement plus clair en français !!!

  7. Raffi

    Hello ! J’attends aussi avec impatience Divi 5.0
    J’avais vu la vidéo de Nick Roach à sa sortie il y a une semaine environ et j’avais retenu qu’il n’y aurait pas de refonte totale de l’outil par rapport à l’interface et qu’il s’agissait surtout de réécrire le code de Divi pour le rendre plus performant.

    En lisant votre article ce matin, je me dis que j’ai peut être mal compris la vidéo.
    Du coup je suis allé la ré-écouter.

    Pour moi il est dit entre 1min50 et 2min05 que ça va pas être bouleversant pour l’utilisation et les utilisateurs.
    J’ai mal compris la vidéo ? ou j’ai mal compris votre article ?

  8. Lycia Diaz

    Merci beaucoup Patrick

  9. Lycia Diaz

    Oui Jean Claude. C’est ce que je me suis dit aussi 😉

  10. Lycia Diaz

    Oui c’est exact, il dit qu’il n’y aura pas de bouleversement pour nous utilisateurs. Mais sous le capot c’est une refonte complète qui permettra à Divi d’évoluer dans le même sens que WordPress. Donc une bonne nouvelle. Et dans mon article j’essaye d’expliquer ce qu’il se passe à ceux qui ne comprennent pas que la nouvelle version de Divi impacte directement les anciens thèmes.

  11. ivan

    Merci pour ces infos! J’allais justement reprendre une license divi. dois-je arrêter mon choix et attendre ou, comme vous l’avez écrit l’usine à gaz sera transparente pour les utilisateurs ? merci de confirmer si je peux ou non reprendre une license pour faire des sites et mettre à jour ceux que j’ai déjà réalisé car j’ai des demande d’anciens clients.

  12. Lycia Diaz

    Bonsoir Ivan. Je pensais avoir été assez claire. Pour ma part, je continue avec Divi et je conseille de faire la même chose. Donc oui, renouveler la licence permettra de mettre Divi à jour lorsque la version 5.0 sortira. Et en attendant elle permet de mettre Divi à jour lorsque des mises à jour mineures sont proposées.

  13. Florent

    Hello ! J’attends aussi la sortie de Divi 5.0 !

    Très bon article qui résume bien ce qui nous attends… et on va attendre, car moi aussi je suis un fan de Divi.

    Ayant développé un module pour Divi (https://madeby.restezconnectes.fr/project/module-divi-openstreetmap/),
    j’espère que je n’aurais pas à tout refaire !!

    A bientôt

  14. Lycia Diaz

    Ah super Florent ! C’est fou ! J’espère que tu auras le droit de tester l’Alpha et Beta pour les dev. Tu devrais te rapprocher du support pour savoir comment tester ces beta avant la sortie, ça t’évitera d’avoir une surprise. Bravo en tout cas !

  15. Lycia Diaz

    Ah ! Je viens de faire le lien : je conseille WP Maintenance à tous mes élèves ! Cool de te voir par ici 😉 Florent !

  16. Florent

    Merci Lycia ! C’est sympa.

    C’est compliqué des fois de continuer le support d’extensions. Je les ai mise à la disposition de la communauté mais je me doutais pas du travail dernière pour assumer les déboggages et les mises à jour.

    Mes 2 extensions phares WP Maintenance et Send PDF for CF7 me donnent du fil à retordre et tout seul c’est pas évident. Je vais devoir trouver un partenaire.

    PS : sur ton site les icônes du menu sont bizarres… (cache à vider)

  17. Lycia Diaz

    Oui je me doute Florent. J’ai longtemps utilisé aussi Send PDF pour mon générateur de cahier des charges. Dans la communauté, il y a bien des personnes qui pourraient t’aider pour le support… ce serait cool

  18. Jean-Marc

    hello Lycia ! des articles très intéressants, qui me permet de rester au courant des évolutions ! Encore merci ;))

  19. Tdot Mike

    Great news. The use of short codes everywhere had become a deal breaker and I transitioned some of my big sites away from the use of Divi to the excellent Kadence theme. My main site still uses Divi.
    I am excited they decided to modernize and update the Divi theme. Looking forward to 5.0. Thanks for sharing this post.

  20. Lycia Diaz

    Kadence seems to be popular, I didn’t have try it. Thanks Mike 😉

  21. Stephen Vaughan

    Kadence theme and blocks is pretty good, and fast. It does a reasonably good job at providing breakpoints for the three main breakpoints used in WordPress. So, ok, responsiveness is covered here but, there’s still a problem because the block editor itself doesn’t implement the tools for responsiveness. This leaves third parties, such as Kadence or Toolset do do that job, but they all have different definitions of what responsive is, ultimately making the build process quite frustrating.

    My understanding is that the Gutenberg team want people to use something called intrinsic design instead of responsive breakpoints but so far it looks like this only affords limited design possibilities. It’s like WordPress is stuck in its blogging roots and is pretending that all the mainstream website possibilities that sprouted from it never happened. This is why you tend to see bloggers being the biggest fans of the block editor which in itself it is a big improvement over the older editor in may ways. But it doesn’t address some use cases. There are gaps.

    Elegant Themes will do well to get Divi in line with the way the block editor will render html via comment tags. It will smooth over any future potentially conflicts and be as compatible as possible. Will using a page builder sometimes feel like a hack to get over the shortfalls of WordPress… probably, but it feel like a nicer hack.

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